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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Shops
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:49 am 
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I did hear that they got free business rates for a certain period of time hence the large number of Chinese shops that have set up over recent years. I cannot say if the above is true or not but I did get the info from a Portuguese estate agent.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:22 pm 
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One off the main reasons there are so many Chinese shop's here in PT , is that when Portugal pulled out off Macao , they granted anybody who was born there when the territory was under there control had the legal right to a PT Passport.
There have been many suggestions that most off these shop's are part off a Money Laundering system.
There are several very big ones in my area & there stock holdings are enormous, foot traffic very slow , commercially it dos not make any sense !

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Joe K wrote:
> One off the main reasons there are so many Chinese shop's here in PT , is
> that when Portugal pulled out off Macao , they granted anybody who was born
> there when the territory was under there control had the legal right to a
> PT Passport.
> There have been many suggestions that most off these shop's are part off a
> Money Laundering system.
> There are several very big ones in my area & there stock holdings are
> enormous, foot traffic very slow , commercially it dos not make any sense !

In the PT Press last week was a report that Finances & Fiscal Police + Customs & Excise have busted wide open a massive fiscal fraud & evasion off IVA on Chinese's Imports.
One company which is the biggest importer off Chinese's products in PT who are based south off Lisbon was identified as the hub off the operation !
Oh p.s. The Company is solely owned & run by Chinese Staff

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Shops
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:40 pm 
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Like any shop, they sell some good value stuff and some poor value stuff. I buy my tools and odds and sods from the (Vietnamese, as it happens) shop in our village and my crockery and household stuff from the local Portuguese run shop next door. I'm not sure what someone's nationality or race have to do with any discussion like this??

Frankly, the number of times I come across restaurants with the words 'Nao tem multibanco' on a sign near the till, far exceeds the times when I can actually use a card to pay. The guy who owns one local restaurant we use, carries a wad around that would choke a donkey. I suspect that the love of cash is actually a dislike of the taxman, as it is everywhere in the world, including the UK. It would certainly explain why the economy is in a mess.


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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Shops
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:30 pm 
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Present your NIF (tax number) to the restaurant when you pay the bill. The number should be entered electronically into the tax system automatically by the till and you will then get a small deduction on next years tax bill. If the restaurant can not do this then they are definitely cheating the system. I have yet to be refused, and many restaurants and shops actually ask for my number.

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Shops
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:13 am 
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alan wrote:
> Present your NIF (tax number) to the restaurant when you pay the bill. The
> number should be entered electronically into the tax system automatically
> by the till and you will then get a small deduction on next years tax bill.
> If the restaurant can not do this then they are definitely cheating the
> system. I have yet to be refused, and many restaurants and shops actually
> ask for my number.
>
> Alan

The law was amended several years ago , it was decried that every "till" had to be linked by electronic means to the Finanças system, this means every time a payment is made ,whether a Factura is requested or not the amount received is automatically recorded by the Finanças , Therefore making much easier for them to calculate the amount off tax's due.

There's a shop I know off which has a till that only appears on "Sundays & Holidays", old fashioned hand driven !

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Interesting discussion. I think the OP might like to get to know the people at the local shop to find out exactly what their story is. They might get invited over for hand made steamed dumplings and bbq pork buns. If so, come back and tell us!

I too would second the use of Twitter for wild generalisations about anything.

We can't possibly put "chinese shops" into the one category like they are a franchise or multinational organisation. They are individually owned businesses (although yes I suppose there are smaller franchises within all the cheaparama stores in pt). And multibanco is a giveaway for being registered with financas.

And what's with the "they don't pay tax" jibe in portugal anyway? Here you have a country with a very decent proportion (25%) of its economy based outside the reported fiscal system - bartering & trading and community based non-monetary support is a beautiful thing. Not paying tax is a way of life. Hating non-taxpayers, I'm afraid, is insulting your neighbour who drops you a bag of lemons.

If you need a hatey hate, then go for the corporations trading in Portugal, earning billions but based elsewhere. Various telcos, supermarkets, uber, airbnb, google etc etc etc. It's them that is robbing the country of decent healthcare & schools, not the dude at the local shop.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:56 am 
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goatperson wrote:
> Interesting discussion. I think the OP might like to get to know the people
> at the local shop to find out exactly what their story is. They might get
> invited over for hand made steamed dumplings and bbq pork buns. If so, come
> back and tell us!
>
> I too would second the use of Twitter for wild generalisations about
> anything.
>
> We can't possibly put "chinese shops" into the one category like
> they are a franchise or multinational organisation. They are individually
> owned businesses (although yes I suppose there are smaller franchises
> within all the cheaparama stores in pt). And multibanco is a giveaway for
> being registered with financas.
>
> And what's with the "they don't pay tax" jibe in portugal anyway?
> Here you have a country with a very decent proportion (25%) of its economy
> based outside the reported fiscal system - bartering & trading and
> community based non-monetary support is a beautiful thing. Not paying tax
> is a way of life. Hating non-taxpayers, I'm afraid, is insulting your
> neighbour who drops you a bag of lemons.
>
> If you need a hatey hate, then go for the corporations trading in Portugal,
> earning billions but based elsewhere. Various telcos, supermarkets, uber,
> airbnb, google etc etc etc. It's them that is robbing the country of decent
> healthcare & schools, not the dude at the local shop.

Agree with your post 100%
It's the "barstewards" @ the top off the food chain who are keeping Portugal poor.
e.g.
https://algarvedailynews.com/news/12728 ... o-be-tried

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 Post subject: Re: Chinese Shops
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:53 am 
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Agree Emma and Joe,

The numerous Chinese shops in my area (near Emma) do quite good business from the 10 or so times I've popped in over the last couple of years, usually in the 'off peak' hours.
(I wished they all had Chinese/Vietnamese cafes attached!)


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